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  <title>Ownership certificate - planning application validity</title>
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  <subtitle>Ownership certificate - planning application validity</subtitle>
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  <updated>2026-03-16T14:57:58Z</updated>
  <dc:date>2026-03-16T14:57:58Z</dc:date>
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    <title>RE: Ownership certificate - planning application validity</title>
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    <author>
      <name>Mike Holmes</name>
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    <updated>2025-05-25T22:29:01Z</updated>
    <published>2025-05-25T22:29:01Z</published>
    <summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;By now I suspect this application will have run its course and it would be interesting to know the outcome.&amp;nbsp; Of course, plannning permission runs with the land not a person or company so does it matter?&amp;nbsp; On a slightly different tack, I was involved in an Ombudsman case some years ago.&amp;nbsp; The Complainant argued that the Council had approved an invalid application - the ownership certificate and plan had allegedly identified land that was not owned wholly by the applicant, but was partly owned (again allegedly) by the Complainant.&amp;nbsp; There was a long running dispute.&amp;nbsp; The Ombudsman took the view that the purpose of the Certificates was to ensure that owners of land subject to the plannning application were aware of it and could make appropriate representations.&amp;nbsp; In this case the Ombudsman felt that the (alleged) owner of the land was obviously aware of the application and had indeed made objections so there was not an issue.&amp;nbsp; The phrase used has stuck with me: "it is not the duty of the local planning authority to underetake a forensic examination of land ownership".&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;</summary>
    <dc:creator>Mike Holmes</dc:creator>
    <dc:date>2025-05-25T22:29:01Z</dc:date>
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  <entry>
    <title>RE: Ownership certificate - planning application validity</title>
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      <name>Graham Wilkinson</name>
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    <updated>2025-05-19T12:00:17Z</updated>
    <published>2025-05-19T12:00:17Z</published>
    <summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 1rem;"&gt;Have&amp;nbsp;the courts&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 1rem;"&gt;recently &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 1rem;"&gt;looked at whether an LPA&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 1rem;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;is&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 1rem;"&gt;, in all cases, stuck with an application that it has validated in error, do you know&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 1rem;"&gt;? The discrepancy between what is said about applications for planning permission and prior approval&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 1rem;"&gt;strikes me as odd, that's all. On the one hand it is held that&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 1rem;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;an application for planning permission&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 1rem;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;not accompanied by everything&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 1rem;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;required by order (in this case the &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 1rem;"&gt;DMPO) is rendered&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 1rem;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;valid simply&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 1rem;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;because the LPA &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 1rem;"&gt;accepts&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 1rem;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;it as such in error&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 1rem;"&gt;. Whilst&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 1rem;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;on the other, it is held&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 1rem;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;that &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 1rem;"&gt;an application for prior approval is no&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 1rem;"&gt;t&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 1rem;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;valid if&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 1rem;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;it does no&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 1rem;"&gt;t include all the information required by Order (in this case &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 1rem;"&gt;the GPDO), regardless of whether&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 1rem;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;the LPA &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 1rem;"&gt;accepts&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 1rem;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;it as&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 1rem;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;valid in error. I can, of course see that if&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 1rem;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;the LPA fails to&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 1rem;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;invoke a local requirement and certifies an application as valid&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 1rem;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;it should not be allowed to make&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 1rem;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;the&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 1rem;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;application invalid to correct its &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 1rem;"&gt;error.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 1rem;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;B&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 1rem;"&gt;ut c&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 1rem;"&gt;ould it be/has it been argued that &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 1rem;"&gt; but if the applicant&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 1rem;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;didn't supply an application meeting the national requirements&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 1rem;"&gt;then there was never a valid application at all, regardless of what the LPA has said on the subject&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 1rem;"&gt;?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</summary>
    <dc:creator>Graham Wilkinson</dc:creator>
    <dc:date>2025-05-19T12:00:17Z</dc:date>
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  <entry>
    <title>RE: Ownership certificate - planning application validity</title>
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    <author>
      <name>richard white</name>
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    <updated>2025-02-03T12:28:07Z</updated>
    <published>2025-02-03T12:28:07Z</published>
    <summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;I would second Graham's advice and add that&amp;nbsp;I think the courts and planning inspectors take the view that if an application has unfortunately been accepted as valid incorrectly then you're stuck with that, but they also tend to be fairly relaxed about personal owners and corporate owners (if the company is itself owned by the same person as named). But raise your concerns ASAP with your local council and see what they say.&lt;/p&gt;</summary>
    <dc:creator>richard white</dc:creator>
    <dc:date>2025-02-03T12:28:07Z</dc:date>
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  <entry>
    <title>RE: Ownership certificate - planning application validity</title>
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      <name>Graham Wilkinson</name>
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    <updated>2025-02-03T11:26:28Z</updated>
    <published>2025-02-03T11:26:28Z</published>
    <summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;If the applicant and Certificate A are different legal persons then I would say the Certificate is definitely&amp;nbsp;incorrect. Whether to invalidate a running&amp;nbsp;application will be up to the LPA.&amp;nbsp;In my experience the approach taken to this issue varies between authorities. I think that I would raise the&amp;nbsp;concerns with your LPA&amp;nbsp;and proceed from there.&lt;/p&gt;</summary>
    <dc:creator>Graham Wilkinson</dc:creator>
    <dc:date>2025-02-03T11:26:28Z</dc:date>
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  <entry>
    <title>RE: Ownership certificate - planning application validity</title>
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      <name>Bernard George</name>
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    <updated>2025-02-01T14:04:01Z</updated>
    <published>2025-02-01T14:04:01Z</published>
    <summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;My neighbour bought the house next door at auction. He now wants to turn it into a large HMO. He submitted the planning application to the council but only gave his name. The house is actually owned by his limited company of which he is the director. The company name is on the title deeds. He filed in ownership certificate A with his name. No mention at all of the company. Is the application still valid?&lt;/p&gt;</summary>
    <dc:creator>Bernard George</dc:creator>
    <dc:date>2025-02-01T14:04:01Z</dc:date>
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    <title>Ownership certificate - planning application validity</title>
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      <name>Bernard George</name>
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    <updated>2025-02-01T14:00:14Z</updated>
    <published>2025-02-01T14:00:14Z</published>
    <summary type="html">Ownership certificate - planning application validity</summary>
    <dc:creator>Bernard George</dc:creator>
    <dc:date>2025-02-01T14:00:14Z</dc:date>
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